Integrate traffic impact studies, says councillor

Property developers should channel funds into a common pool for the Penang Municipal Council (MPPP) to appoint independent consultants for traffic impact studies.

MPPP councillor Dr Lim Mah Hui said that the studies up to now have been quite ineffective because consultants were appointed by individual developers.

“We should consider a new system for independent consultants to take an integrated rather than piecemeal approach,” he told a full council meeting yesterday.

Dr Lim said that Penang would end up like Hong Kong with high-density development and over-crowding without the public infrastructure to support it if high-rise buildings were continually being approved and if developers continued to buy up every piece of available property to build to the maximum density ratio.

“I’m not against development. What we need to ask is what type of development — is it rampant and unbalanced, or is it sustainable and balanced?

“I’m afraid our concept of development is simply too property-centric,” he added.

Dr Lim also said that it was the responsibility of the state — politicians, councillors, civil servants and policy makers — to provide the checks and balances, to protect public interest and come up with sensible policies to ensure sustainable development.

Meanwhile, the MPPP financial management sub-committee proposed increasing compounds issued to offenders who were not civic-conscious.

Its alternate chairman Tan Hun Wooi said that the committee proposed to increase the compounds by 100%.

“Examples of errant behaviour include hawkers who smoke while cooking or those who throw rubbish into the drain,” he said.

MPPP Public Health standing committee alternate chairman Ong Ah Teong said the committee approved a 30% reduction on stall rentals at the market complex at Lintang Macallum 2, Ocean View hawker complex and the stalls on the upper floor of the Bayan Baru market complex beginning this month until July next year. - By The Star


August 28, 2011 at 4:30 AMpgkia88

LGE, dont talk crap. You dont even dare to take action against malay illegal traders who set up stalls along tanjong tokong and bayan lepas. These illegal stalls channel all their waste into the sea, and you are closing both your eyes to score some brownie point from the malays. So, dont talk crap, stop racial politics and go back to melaka!

August 28, 2011 at 6:06 AMCK

pgkia88 It's obvious you are talking crap. What does this particle have to do with LGE? You didn't even bloody read the article above. Stop making a fool of yourself by acting smart...

August 28, 2011 at 9:02 AMewelee

pgkia88, now good news for you as those road side hawkers will hv to be removed. now UDA IS GOING TO DEVELOP THAT LAND.

August 28, 2011 at 10:07 AMewelee

this so called "dr.Lim" talking crap lah. the traffic problem occur since "N" years ago. now he is councillor, but dun know to propose to state goverment but only can bark in front of reporters. i am totally disappointed with this so called "DR". before, he said the property price is over value, but as councillor, he do nothing. no even he propose to goverment for any good palns. let me tell him here, singpore HDP system can HELP to controlthe price increase in penang.

August 28, 2011 at 12:44 PMpgkia88

CK, read the whole article, dont make yourself more foolish than what you already are

August 28, 2011 at 12:51 PMpgkia88

Ewelee, really? Then its good news for all residents nearby. What about those illegals hawker nearby D'Residence? What about the one next to Gold Coast Apartment? Also the increasing street hawkers opposite Queensbay? I thought removing illegal structures and hawker stalls is the work of MPPP, does LGE became KTK that loss his balls now and play taichi to fall the responsibility to developers?

August 28, 2011 at 1:50 PMLittleOne

pgkia88, I have to agree with you that the illegal hawkers are a sore eye to law-abiding citizens like us. These hawkers blatantly break the law by setting stalls regardless of the "Jangan Menjaja" signage. I share the same sentiment as you. But I can't agree with you on your accusation on LGE. The jurisdiction of enforcing the domestic laws of the state is with the MPPP. I've personally spoken to some MPPP enforcers who were on duty in Batu Feringghi. When they are around, the illegal horse riding is absent but they will turn up when MPPP is away. Similar case happened along the belt of Queensbay Mall. Let's continue to support the current state government with practical suggestions than just blind accusations lest we share the same platform as Gerakan and MCA.

August 28, 2011 at 2:21 PMNEC Andy

Saja berkongsi. Semua ahli majlis adalah dilantik dan menerima gaji daripada Kerajaan Negeri. MPPP menerima arahan daripada Kerajaan Negeri. Sebagai contohnya, Kerajaan Negeri Pulau Pinang meminta MPPP tidak memasuk ke Program Waste Management Kebangsaan. Maka Pulau Pinang tidak termasuk dalam program pengurusan sisa nasional. Minta maaf saya kurang bersetuju dengan pandangan LinttleOne, adalah menjadi tanggungjawab penguatkuasa MPPP untuk mengawasi dan memantau. Kita ada membayar cukai pintu. Maka adakah bermaksud situasi yang sama boleh berlaku pada Polis?

Juga perlukah pulau pinang membina laluan ketiga (sea tunnel) untuk seberang dan pulau?

August 28, 2011 at 2:55 PMpgkia88

Littleone, i'll admit to you that my whole family and friends are hardcore DAP supporter, but we never really imagine how weak LGE is, especially towards certain race. We dont ask him to practice favourism etc, what we ask is for LGE to be tough towards law breakers. If you know anyone from MPPP, ask them, and they will tell you that most of the time the councilor and LGE himself will intervene when MPPP wants to demolish illegal structures. I agree wuth you on the horse riding issue, that theres nothing much MPPP can do , as the operator can shift their operation easily. But what about those illegal mega stalls with permanent structures, and big screen tv and toilets setup on public beaches? You mean the state cant do anything, or are they trying to look good infront of the malays? Can LGE also explain why Islam prayers is included in DAP convention but other prayers is excluded? The only way for Pakatan to move forward is to expel this KTK reincarnation!

August 28, 2011 at 5:40 PMKevin

Errrr... I thought the Dr Lim here is Lim Mah Hui and not Lim Guan Eng? How come discussion can turn to LGE?

I read 2 times just to make sure Lim Guan Eng 's name is not anywhere in the article...

August 28, 2011 at 11:06 PMpgkia88

Ewelee, thats right. KTK is a political eunuch, but it seems that LGE is not much difference. A lot of penangites now wonder if it would be better if LKS or Karpal be the CM. Those illegal traders are now getting bolder as days pass due to lack of guts from DAP administration

August 28, 2011 at 11:13 PMpgkia88

Kevin, when an organisation went wrong , ultimately the CEO should be answerable. And in this case, the CEO is LGE

August 28, 2011 at 11:16 PMCK

@ Kevin,

That my point actually. But a smart ass here insist we are more foolish. Whatever la, as long as it actually makes him feels good and smart... talk is cheap and free....

August 28, 2011 at 11:48 PMpgkia88

CK or what we call ayam mati in hokkien. I think the one acting like a smart ass is this ayam mati who commented on various property forum posing as an expert. Please lar, previously property expert now politic expert lar? Lol. Just like what RPK says you are just another sore loser who cant take critism on your idol.

August 28, 2011 at 11:57 PMCK

Dear pgkia,

There's no need for name calling. If it makes you feels better. You have your point and I had mine. It's just that I think you are full of rubbish.

I love engagement that's constructive, I get none from your nonsense. Cheers dude...

Yeah right, I am an expect. Whatever makes you feels good la since you seems to be more pro on this based on your wonderful commnents here... hypocrite

August 29, 2011 at 12:15 AMjeremy tan

pgkia88, why don't you be the vendetta? If politics is that simple, everybody would be sitting on top of it already is so easy to point fingers and play the blame game. Why spot the black dot on that white piece of paper?

It is all about playing your cards right. The approach you chose is basically show hand in poker. There is nothing much left to say in this case : )

August 29, 2011 at 12:38 AMpgkia88

CK, i am glad you mention it. Who actually started the name calling and acting like a child? I seldom post comment, but i can see that even in other forum, you are very rude towards those that do not share your same opinion.

August 29, 2011 at 12:45 AMpgkia88

Jeremy Tan, so is it wrong to ask my CM to stop practicing racial politic? I thought DAP theme is always Malaysian Malaysia? Or is DAP now another UMNO's lapdog? Is it also wrong to ask my CM to follow the rule of law?if so, then whats the difference between them and MCA,MIC, Gerakan and PPP? Same species different gender?

August 29, 2011 at 12:55 AMCK

Dear pgkia,

I said you are a fool because I think you are based on your LGE statement. Name calling-wise, It's very much more polite than your branding.

You don't have to agree with me to make me happy. Same as I do not agree with your rubbish.

You see, I do not like your rubbish side-lining the Malay traders above. Maybe you want to share with me a particular race that is perfect? Maybe the Indian or Chinese hawkers is more beautiful in your shitless brain. Do forgive my statement here if you will, I have no intention in hurting any race.

In a multi-racial society, please mind your words in giving example. Try to think of the cup as half full than half empty.

August 29, 2011 at 1:00 AMjeremy tan

it is not wrong to ask, that is why i have been asking you and you have yet to answer my questions : )

Everybody wants to talk but who wants to walk? Why don't you cast the first stone and we shall all follow?

Otherwise, let the free market takes its place. It is never a zero sum game, as long you are winning more than you are losing, we can address your loses later.

I don't think the CM is practicing racial politics. The first he did was to have the tender system for projects. By doing this, he eliminated the bumi rights for projects. Everything is made fair and square based on the best proposal and offer.

DAP's theme has always been about CAT. Credibility, Accountability and Transparency.

If DAP is just another UMNO's lapdog, they won't be lambasting each other over main stream media.

Having said that, that's why we can never be politicians. It is not just the hind sight but the foresight as well. If i act on my emotions and do exactly what it tells me, my tenure as CM won't last more than a term. You have so much to learn my friend : )

August 29, 2011 at 1:53 AMpgkia88

Dear CK, the readon i pointed out illegal malay traders is because what they do is illegal, simple as that. If the illegal traders are chinese or indian, i'll point out too. Simple as that. So, can you answer me why these traders are above the law?

August 29, 2011 at 2:00 AMpgkia88

Jeremy, wow, open tender means do away bumi's right? You must be thinking too much. Class F contractor belongs to the bumi's, so open tender means the project will falls to deserving bumis instead of UMNO cronies.

So, care to explain the two issue i raised? Why is LGE closing both eyes towards illegal traders who not only flouted the law but damaging the enviroment? Also, why is Islamic prayer be included in DAP Penang convention, but not other prayers? Tell me DAP members composition!

So, you still think LGE is not practicing racial politics? LGE is a disgrace to DAP, unlike LKS and Karpal.

August 29, 2011 at 2:11 AMpgkia88

CK, please dont be an idiot by twisting my point. What i am against is illegal traders regardless of race. But it so happen that all the case i see so far in Penang is related to Malays. And by "the case" i mean, illegal structures built and no action taken, despite complains from the resident nearby!

I havent seen a Chinese or Indian illegal traders that can built massive steuctures by the beach in Penang and no action taken towards them by MPPP. In case you have information on this, why not share it with us?

Also, why should we allow these traders to dirty our beach? Whats the use of throwing mudball on one hand and polluting the beach next?

All i urge is for LGE to enforce the law withoyt fear or favor, and i am sure civilized penangites will be fully behind u!

ps: why did LGE demand Ng Wei Aik to apologize for taking action against the mamak traders who broke the law?

August 29, 2011 at 7:47 AMewelee

pgkia88, i hv to clearify here is KTK make penang worst. moreover, as a penangnites, those admin workers for penang state since KTK time, they all know where problem is, but still keep quiet. i see new goverment has difficulties to improve penang without experience ppl. i urge more penangnites will help the new goverment in making penang better and penang goverment will clear off those rubbish and make penang better and better.

August 29, 2011 at 7:49 AMewelee

illegal hawkers issue started by KTK. and messive development without following the original planing also allow by KTK. roadside hawkers also allow by them by giving those hawkers mobile licence. what to do now, pgkia88??

August 29, 2011 at 8:00 AMewelee

from this lim mah hui interview post, there are ppl try to bring himself in better position by comdemn others. before he said penang properties is at high side, now the price even higher. so now again, since he is councillor, he should work things out, not complaint. i dun think goverment cannot find any ppl to manage this problem. he didn't study how long singapore takes to improve their traffice system.

August 29, 2011 at 12:21 PMpgkia88

Ewelee,those massive illegal structures outside D'Residence and also the one beside Goldcoast apartment started during LGE helms.

Anyway, does 2 wrong makes a right? KTK is an idiot, thats why penangites have enough of him and booted him out finally after having his bullshit for nearly 2 decades. Do we want to suffer the same bullshit from LGE?

So far, the only thing i saw LGE doing is trying to play racial politics which his party condemn all the while.

August 29, 2011 at 3:42 PMewelee

oh? really? i see them facing hardship to work things out. due to limited resources left by ex goverment. moreover, the present civil servant not all want to co-work with them. they hv limited information, as now we are exposed to the outside world. we comapre penang to other cities, where we can feedback. if this problem comes back to you, pgkia88, what will you do? to remove those illegal hawkers without solution, or other ways?

August 29, 2011 at 5:59 PMcas

pgkia88 has an extremely wrong concept here.

DAP's political principle is based on the Rukun Negara and also respecting Islam as the nation's official religion. So tell me what's wrong with having Muslim prayer in any of the DAP's official event? DAP is a multi racial party, mind you... if you want all the religions prayer being cited, we still have Christian, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Sikh, and many other religions prayer to be cited in an event,.. Isn't this will becoming overly bureaucracy having all prayers done in an event.

In those events, DAP will special mention for other non Muslim members they may pray in parallel without disturbing the ceremony.

A Penang state govern by pgkia88's idealism will become a sure fail state.

And tell me does Gerakan having all religions prayers cited in their ceremony? MCA?

August 29, 2011 at 6:02 PMpgkia88

Ewelee, if it was me, i wouldnt allow any NEW illegal structures to be build in public places. As for those Old illegal structures left during the eunuch KTK administration, we can deal with them one at a time. But LGE seems to think otherwise, by allowing new illegal structures to come out in public beaches. So, how to tear them down in future without confrontation?

August 29, 2011 at 6:31 PMKhorKL

Weird isn't it, as I've read over and over again regarding this article and it highlighted on the issue raised by Dr. Lim (a MPPP councilor). But the first comment posted was directed at LGE and asking him to "don't talk crap and balik malacca". In the first place, LGE was not even mentioned in this article and didn't even open his mouth. Looks like LGE is being targerted here. I think got people "sesat" and raised issue at wrong place. No point arguing back and forth here while nothing is being done. Relevant matters should be directed at the relevant authorities so that remedial measures can be taken accordingly. If sincere enough, then consult the people who can really do something rather than debate here. Everyone has their own political standings.

August 29, 2011 at 8:59 PMKhorKL

No point pointing fingers here and there. Remember when pointing fingers, one finger is pointing at others while your four other fingers are pointing back at you. Any complain/ criticism should be directed at the appropriate parties. We must not only criticize/ complain all the time but also help by contributing our ideas/ solution if we are really sincere.
If what is being raised here claims to be true, I'm sure you can bring it up to the opposition BN who is more than willing to take advantage to highlight this issue since the election is just around the corner. Better still if you can stand for the election if capable enough so that you can contribute directly to the people. No point complaining when at the same time nothing is being done.
Bear in mind that Islam is our official religion and it is a common practice in government functions (federal/state) to perform Islamic prayers recital before any event. But others are not prohibited from performing their religious rites at the same time. It is all about tolerance and understanding.

August 29, 2011 at 11:46 PMjeremy tan


you have a lot to learn about everything.

Perhaps you can start by learning how to live together in harmony.

August 29, 2011 at 11:52 PMSCC33

Come on guys, let's agree to disagree and not turn this forum into a political debate.

August 29, 2011 at 11:55 PMpgkia88

Jeremy, so you encourage illegal structures and illegal hawkers to fill up our state? Perhaps you should learn to be more civilised and emulate singapore like what LGE used to say. Your mentality still stuck with 3rd world, where you dont seems to encourage people to follow the law.

August 30, 2011 at 12:41 AMpgkia88

Khorkl, is DAP convention a goverment function? Since when a party function becomes a goverment function? DAP is a multi racial party, and believes in Malaysian Malaysia and its members comprise of 95% non muslim, so why do we need to perform a prayer that is not relevant towards the members? Do we insist PAS or PKR to perform Christian/Buddhist or Hindu's prayer during their convention? I am sure we dont. So lets be honest, DAP under LGE is playing racial politics, and it should be stop by all Penangites regardless of race who loves harmony. Just like we reject the racist BN. So wgat penangites shall do is to give DAP a strong message to LGE to stop his crap before we sent him packing as a 1 term CM

August 30, 2011 at 2:20 AMCK


Honestly, while I think some of you point is valid, I think there's actually no point keep highlighting your grievances here as you are barking up the wrong channel.

I do not see you have any solution other than your urge and utter rubbish to get your point across and I do not see any point in justifying to you as you think you are always right.

My friend, it is always easier said than done. There's no such thing as a free lunch, you will need to learn to maneuver your way around in politics.

Your remarks possess none of the logic I can digest but a very fine example of non-constructive opinion posted by an amateur.

Your lousy comments is not going anywhere that will benefit anyone here in this forum.

August 30, 2011 at 3:06 AMcondomana

Maybe instead of tearing down those stalls, an innovative approach is called for.

From an economic stand point, those stalls are there for a reason; to serve consumer needs. New developments and the resulted crowd have created a demand for hawker products in that area, and to look at it positively, the hawkers are enterprising enough to see that opportunity to make a living. Good sign! Jobs have just been created! Now, they maybe be "illegal" technically, but that doesn't mean we can't do something to legalize it if they conform with traffic, safety and health guidelines.

I think being innovative is one of the things Penang needs to thrive in this ever competitive world. And impeding entrepreneurship is probably the last thing we need.

Roadside hawker stalls have served us well for as long as I have been enjoying my Burma Road "apom" & Tanjung Bunga "Goreng Pisang". They have provided us with cheap and convenient culinary solutions for ages.

By utilizing the "unutilized" and "almost-free" real estate, they are able to provide us with world-class laksa (rated within world top-10 by CNN :)) but at Penang-class price (2 thumbs up :)). Imagine having to relocate all hawkers in Penang to purpose-built hawker centres, the pricing structure for laksa would have been totally different then, not to mention the land used for building the hawker centres and the car parks needed to serve those centres would mean hectares less for green parks (something we seriously lack in Penang).

August 30, 2011 at 11:13 AMKhorKL

Obviously Islamophobia still exist among some people. A simple prayer recital can be turned into a political issue and cause some dissatisfaction among a certain overly sensitive people. Remember that we're still in Malaysia and regardless of the composition of a race in a certain place, Islam is still the official religion and we have to learn to adhere with this fact. Freedom of religion is still allowed and no matter how much one can deny, I think some comment here are a bit racist and targeted at a certain race/ religion.
If one already has a racist thinking instilled in him/ her everything one sees and perceives will be racist and discriminatory. Be careful when you play with fire!!1
No doubt the heart is noble and sincere but the direction taken is not right. One should learn to help find the solution and not just whine and moan without contributing much.
Anyway, as I've mentioned, the first comment was targeting LGE when I don't see any relevance or connection with the above article. Very obvious someone has some personal issue with LGE (all of a sudden asking him to stop talk crap and balik malacca) when LGE was not even mentioned in the article.

August 30, 2011 at 11:21 AMKhorKL

Another thing is from reading the first comment posted it seems to me that the solution suggested here is for LGE to go back Malacca. If only things are that simple......hehehe I don't think that will help solve the issue

August 30, 2011 at 3:49 PMPeter

hey come on guys and girls ... tis is not the place for a political debate

anyway LGE has done more during tis past 2 years than BN for the past 10+ years

August 30, 2011 at 6:47 PMcondomana

Hi Peter,

Do you know of another web site where you can debate property related social issues?

September 4, 2011 at 10:30 AMObserver

Hi Condomana

Perhaps the website below is more appropriate to give any political comments.

There are 4 languages, Malay version is FOC

September 4, 2011 at 12:33 PMcondomana

Hi Observer,

Thanks for the recommendation. But the senseless whacking over there is not really my cup of tea.