Gurney Park

Gurney Park Condominium - Maple and Pine Towers are located between Kelawai Road and Gurney Drive. They are parts of the Gurney Park development which comprise an office tower and 3 residential towers.

The residential scheme consists of two 39-storey condominium blocks and has a total of 588 units. All units have been precisely oriented for an unobstructed view of the sea, Gurney Drive and the city. Maple and Pine Towers are set to meet the demands of a luxurious residential development with a complete range of recreational facilities. The neighbourhood condominium blocks of Gurney Park are The Regency Condo, Bella Vista and Silverton.

Property Project : Gurney Park
Location : Gurney Drive, Penang (Property for sale & rent in Gurney Drive)
Property Type : Condominium (Condo for sale & rent)
Completion : 1999
Tenure : Freehold
No. of Blocks : 2
No. of Storeys : 39
Total Units : 588
No. of Lifts : 6
Developer : City Associates Group

Standard Unit
No. of Units : 588
Units per Floor : 8
Built-up Area : approx. 970 sq.ft.

24-hours security, covered car park, landscape garden, swimming pool, wading pool, gymnasium, tennis court, squash, jacuzzi, children's playground, jogging trek.


July 1, 2008 at 10:32 AMAnonymous

wat the market price now.can invest or not.which block is nice.

November 5, 2008 at 12:32 AMYin

not easy to get a unit there at 300K, even the lower floor is selling at about 340K. Good luck!

May 21, 2009 at 5:48 AMmerdeka

Gurney Park Condo market value should be less than 320k

June 8, 2009 at 8:45 PMameer

latest info,the auction unit rm320k has been removed by banker.

July 3, 2009 at 9:38 PManythingpenang

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(槟城3日讯)疑受到隔壁一项发展工程影响,葛尼花园(Gurney Park)停车场旁马路发生下陷4尺,事后槟岛市政局已向发展商及承包商,发出停工令,并要求发展商在2至3天内,呈交报告解释。

July 4, 2009 at 6:49 PMDaniel

Wonder what will happen to the values? Wonder is residents will ask Hunza for compensation?

August 14, 2009 at 5:43 PMLAW

Will the serious road caved-in last time damage the building structure/endanger our life?? i am interested to buy but worry this issue.

December 28, 2009 at 3:21 PMJeff

Heard a rumour that the management is going to re-paint the building, can anyone confirm this?

January 4, 2010 at 11:45 AMJeff

I am quite interested in Gurney Park, in view of the strategic location (gurney plaza just doorstep away), and future new shipping complex in the paragon. However would anybody likes to comment the pros and cons from other perspective, eg. psf, maintainance, security, title, and renting potential?

April 20, 2010 at 10:57 AMProp

Gurney park does appear to be a very good investment to me, located in between the gurney plaza and soon-to-come paragon, 2 highest class shopping complex in penang, and the distance is so near that can simply roll our way there. Enjoying the prime gurney drive atmosphere alongisde with all the super-condos , not bad at all. Price wise still have potential to go, imagine the new freehold condos right now are asking >370sf, even not in prime location. Titles not ready, but should not matter for investor perspective as long as does not deter the rent/subsale process. Only concern is the building bit old, but understand that they are rich in fund, perhaps they can re-paint the building and do some upgrade on the facilities, its about time anyway. If this is done, i think the price for gurney park can fetch 500k range..

June 27, 2010 at 9:42 AMTim

Prices have been going up in the last few months. Good location but watch out for the Land sinking due to Paragon contruction (2nd time happened yesterday).

July 6, 2010 at 10:32 PMHouse

hi, anyone can comment on whether there is water leakage from unit above (bathroom)? I heard from at least 3 agents of diff units that there is this problem.

if there is leakage, who should bear the cost of repair - you or unit above? what if unit above is not cooperative and does not allow the repair man to go into their home to fix?

August 25, 2010 at 11:37 PMST

Gurney park still got no strata title ?!

how come after so many years still no strata title ?

anyone know the reason(s) ?

August 28, 2010 at 12:32 AMJim

someone said what's wrong with Gurney park ?

So many units up for Sale !

Is the land sinking / wall cracking solved ?

Buyers need to be careful ... better safe than sorry !

August 28, 2010 at 11:09 AMJeff

Jim, lets not speculating things and spread un-supported facts. Ofviously there is a price-hike over the past 6 months or-so which stimulated the sub-sale activities. Paragon is due to be ready in 2012, and gurney park is trully a gem in that strategic location just between gurney plaza and paragon and only a few footsteps away. Look around the whole penand island, you can hardly find a better property than gurney park from that perspective. Those unit owners facing paragon will get hit though, as no more seaview available. Those facing tg tokong and high floor are highly sought now..

August 29, 2010 at 12:12 AMWM

Incidents of land sinking in gurney park area have been reported in the media, the latest incident just a couple of months ago

Buyers especially unsuspecting foreigners should be aware of this ...

construction of paragon is still on-going ...

October 4, 2010 at 9:34 AMTim

Gurney Park price has been inflated >RM50,000 since the beginning of 2010.

October 4, 2010 at 10:29 AMJeff

Location is the main selling point for this condo. I stayed there for a short while, it is really attractive as all the happening things are just next to the door-step. Gurney plaza, gurney hawker, promanade, all convenience and luxuries are just like part of the facility. The upcoming mall from paragon is another factor which created the stir in the current price. It is difficult to find another property which able to match gurney park in term of location and price perspective, Bella vista and Gurney Villa are close but still not good enough. Of course there are problems also, those units facing paragon already have their sea-view blocked, only those facing gurney plaza still have seaview. Building looks a bit old, and always alot of visitors or indonesian frequent at the lobby.

October 4, 2010 at 12:29 PMAB

Overpriced gurney park some more got SINKING land problem !
unsuspecting buyers foreigners be careful

after paragon completed, traffic jam will be NIGHTMARE !!

plus NOISE and dust pollution !

and No Strata Title !

October 4, 2010 at 2:05 PMTim

Like the location. But, worry about the traffic and parking for 2nd car.

December 6, 2010 at 9:10 PMPenang Fan

I have been renting this condo for a month. There were 3 elevators. For 1 whole month only 2 was serviceable. Then last week the remaining 2 also broke down too. So I have to walk up from 23rd to 31st floor for nearly 2 days. Now only 1 elevator is working. Wait time can be more then 10 mins. on average. I am keeping my fingers crossed every time I press the elevator call buttons

The environment also looks deplorable, dated and run down. Visitor's car park was very inadequate and on 4 occasions my alotted car park was taken by intruders due to lack of parking space.

How can greedy owners justify prices of more then 500K is beyond me as I had been told by mortgage brokers that this condo was a estimated at only 400K. Try borrowing more from 400k by any banks and you will be turned down for sure.

Unless you are desperate to live between 2 noisy and busy malls be prepared to pay lots of cash on your own. As no bank will grant you the full loan of 500K and above.

This condo is not worth the price greedy owners is asking for. Owners should stop dreaming asking for more then 500K and be more realistic.

December 7, 2010 at 7:03 AMtan

Congratulation. I beleive you lost 2kg already. It is not necessary to stay next to shopping mall even you like shopping very much. (e.g. You do not need to keep a cow even if you like milk).

December 7, 2010 at 11:17 AMPenang Fan

Here's an update to my report of badly managed Gurney Park. It seems that the 3rd elevator for Maple will be out for a while as it cost more then 30K to get the parts. You may say this is a small sum for a condo of this size but the management has no money because 60% of the tenants there are not paying the monthly low fee of just 135Rm a month. Even at 135Rm it is barely enough to pay for care takers and staff salaries. At the last AGM tenants rejected a suggested small 15Rm hike to a meager 150Rm per month fee after more then 10 years without any raise. Go figure and think again if you want to buy this condo.

Seems at the end the tenants who refuse to pay are to be blamed.

The state government should do something as many condos are fallen to disarray because of irresponsible tenants who refuse to pay for upkeep.

The State Government should allow such errant tenants to have their electric and water disconnected in order to make them pay. I don't see the electric or water department having no payment issue. It's just simple you don't pay they just cut out your most important supply- electric and water....

December 7, 2010 at 11:46 AMJeff

Penang Fan,

I own a unit at Gurney park and I am proud of that. Once paragon mall is ready, where else in penang you can find an seaview unit in between 2 of the most up-market shopping malls next to the door step and price <=500k? Furthermore, we are talking about the unit in one of the most established and pretigious neighbourhood in Penang Island. Gurney promenade and hawker are just something extra to offer. Belle vista and Gurney ville are not good enough (either no pool or distance), the remaining are those super condo which price easily >1.5mil (silverton, regency, paragon, millenium tower, LOOC etc).

I agree with your point that some solid actions should be taken against those not paying mnt fees, but this is a common problem which happening everywhere, and i am sure gurney park is not one of the worst. Don't forget there is still >1.5mil of sinking fund ready to use, it is just a matter of whether the money is worth the spend.

December 7, 2010 at 12:09 PMPenang Fan

Jeff how you define "Urgent needs" Isn't the 3rd elevator which is out for months urgent? Those living between 24 to 39 floors has only 1 elevator to live by now.

By the way the 1.5 millions sinking fund cannot be used as during the AGM, members refused to release money for the "urgent" elevator because it "cost too much" If this attitude is to be the yard stick of Gurney Park pathetic maintenance then the value of G.P can only go down as things it gets worst. Who wants to pay 500 rm and have to walk 20 floors up. I don't care how convenient this place is or will be. It is just ridiculous.

December 8, 2010 at 3:35 PMYap

don't buy gurney park, very poor maintenance .... like low cost flat !

lifts always broken, dirty & smelly ... even got dog shit ..!

December 8, 2010 at 4:12 PMPenang Fan


More then 60%( figures got from main office- no exaggeration ) of the tenants in Gurney Park don't pay even low $135 monthly maintenance fee so what do you expect? They are very cheap lots there. Most are low class and uneducated people. Lift not working stretches for days and months. You can see scratches, graffiti all over the place esp. stair case, elevators, common areas etc.

This place is a real dump. And greedy owners still asking for 1/2 million Rm to buy. Unreal and ridiculous. Just go and see for yourself and you will know the truth.

December 9, 2010 at 3:09 PMPenang Fan


This place is a dump and owner wants $3500 a month! You are kidding, right? I won't pay more then $2000 for the best fully furnished as the lift and common areas looks like low cost flats'

December 12, 2010 at 8:33 AMPenang Fan

This condo is not worth the high rental rate or resale value. Think twice before buying or renting.

I have been living here for more then a month. For your insight information. The maintenance very so bad. Recently one elevator cable broke(thankfully no one was injured) and the elevator was out of service for a month. They have to order from Japan as the cable was too expensive to have a spare around(this condos has 6 elevators). The common area is full of scratches and graffiti. Out of 10 residence only 4 pay their monthly dues thus the management has to work on a very tight budget. The due is only $135 a month and the residence still refuse or cannot pay.

Everything is run on a shoe string budget. Beside this condo is like a hospital with many units rented out to sick Indonesian who are here for treatments. I have nothing against them but sometime when these condos are full they even have beds in their corridor which can be unsightly. They rent rooms at $50 to $60 a day. Their maids can be noisy and rowdy.

The other inconvenience is the construction work next door - Paragon is very noisy and dusty. They work until 10pm and the dirt spill over the road leading to the condo which can be quite a mass.

Further there are not enough car parks so lots of residence illegally squat their car in your assigned car park when you are away. Visitors have to try their luck to secure a place in their limited car park area. I applied for a permit for my visiting sis and she cannot find a parking space in the visitor car park and had to parked outside the complex in some back lanes.

All I mentioned are the truth so think again if you want to commit. Thankfully I will be moving out soon.

December 13, 2010 at 1:31 PMSun

I own a unit at Gurney par blk 166 as a holiday home, already 3 years and so far I have no complaint. One of the lift breaks down for quite sometimes, but have no problem with the remaining 2. Paragon is no issue to me as my unit is facing the other direction. There are alot of foreigners, not only indonesian, anyway they don't make trouble and look very decent people as well. Car park wise, yes, there was once somebody parked at my slot but security acted fast and wheel-clamped it, then it never happen again. This condo is not perfect but at least not as bad as what Penang Fan as put it. The location is tip-top, you get to enjoy all the conveninces such as shopping/cafe/eatery/promenade all within walking distance, yes difficult to find in penang.

December 13, 2010 at 2:34 PMPenang Fan

Yes, I forgot to mention that every morning loads of Indonesian waited out side the main entrance to get van to pick them up to their respective hospital. This is very unsightly as this condo looks like part of a hospital extension.

For all the convenience in the world Gurney Park has nothing else to be desired at all. Probably Sun wrote to protect his or her investment here. Whatever investor should reconsider before plunging their hard earn money on badly run properties with inflated price like this.

December 13, 2010 at 7:30 PMHappy

In fact many condos have the same issues..I bet if you stay in other condo, you will face the same issue.
I am not an investor, I believe what Sun's said.

December 20, 2010 at 2:20 PMpeach

Bank value this condo at not more then 400K. You need cash to buy this condo as the owner is asking more then it is really worth.

I would not pay 500k as it is definitely over priced and beware of property bubble as every one anticipated. Such condo will be gravely affected if the bubble burst.

Beside the new G hotel infront of 166 or Maple is starting piling soon. So this condo will be bombarded with construction noises from both developments- The Paragon on the left and Baby G Hotel construction infront(Kelawei Rd). Prepare to put with this for the next 2 to 3 years.
Seen it and been it. The elevators is poorly maintained and look like a low cost flat's elevator. Floor tiles, ceiling falling apart and the graffiti panels.

Every morning wheel chaired sick patient lining up to go to the hospital beside many condos are rented out on short term basis to Singaporeans and Indonesians who are loud and noisy.

December 20, 2010 at 2:41 PMSun

Peach, your statement is completely incorrect and mis-leading. I am looking for re-financing recently and so far Maybank has responded with 500k of valuation. This is only preliminary assessment, and for re-financing normally the financial institute tends to be more conservative. I am sure if I pursue harder with Maybank or others, i can easily get higher than that. Yes my unit is at higher floor with un-block seaview, but it is not for you to be generalised in this case, anyway <400k is truly exaggereted figure.

December 20, 2010 at 2:54 PMJeff

Hi Peach, if you come across any good higher floor and seaview units which bank only willing to loan <400k and not able to find buyers, let me know. I am willing to pay 410k, 10k will be your commission.

December 20, 2010 at 6:41 PMpeach

Really, My son works for a bank and he told me so. You will be lucky to get a 450K for the highest unit with the best view. I wouldn't push it. I had doubt that Maybank will value any Gurney Plaza condo at 500K.

A broker told me he had one buyer requesting for a 90% loan turned down. His purchase price was 510K. Get that???

If you buy it with cash or pay 40% down then it should be fine but can you find me that idiot? So far there are not much takers for those asking for above 500K.

Broker themselves are skeptical about this inflated prices. Ask one if you don't believe me.

December 20, 2010 at 9:32 PMBp

Gurney Park can fetch >-500k,like it or not,this is the fact.Somebody has offered 530k for my units and I rejected,very simple as i manage to rent it out at 2.8k per month,2 years tenancy. I think this is too cheap with the amount of money i put in for renovation and furnishing as my neighbour rented out to Japanese,3k per month, with only moderate renovation.If consider 6% as a reasonable rental yield,2.8k per month can sell at 550k,simple math.I don't even bother what the current valuation price is,the rental already provided the assurance. This rental is already the cheapest you can find around that area,and come on gurney park is directly next to the gurney plaza,this is not what the RM135 maintainance fees can buy you,it is truly value for money. Even residents in super condo like millenium/silverton/11gurney cant enjoy this kind of convenince.The price may go up to 600k when Paragon Mall is completed in 2012.

December 21, 2010 at 8:18 PMpeach


Why not say it will go up to 800K after Paragon is completed. You are dreaming like so many other greedy G.P.owner. I was told by many Brokers that greedy owners back off selling when buyer offered the prices they asked for. Very ungentleman and has no principal are they. Seems you are one of them too as you own up yourself. Stop wasting the brokers time if you do not mean to sell.

By the way even if someone offer 500K and the bank don't give the 90% loan the sale will fall through too. Many brokers just gave up selling G.P. due to greedy and fickle minded seller like you.

As long as there are cheap people who refuses to pay even the lowly $135 monthly fee. This building cannot command good price. Who wants to live in a broken shed and have to buy at 500K or 3,000K a month. You can fool the Japs. once renting high but they will not return for more again. They won't be second round fools!

Lastly the condo is very chup. Local or nearby countries rent rooms from agents by the day or week. Making this like a 3rd class hotel. Beside sick people on wheel chairs loitering around the lobby with noisy maids pushing them around.

All these will not attract high paying buyers!

December 22, 2010 at 10:54 AMJeff

Peach, Its the simple demand v.s supply rule. Seller can asks for whatever price they want and it takes a willing buyer to make a deal, does that bothers you? Similiar to Bp, I also received call from agent from time to time asking if I wanted to sell (Singaporean in particularly interested), I rejected as well and I have all the right to do that, whats that to do with greediness? The price will not just go up for no reason, and I am sure buyers are smart enough to make the decision. The sellers are not the one to blame for the current price hike, all house owners want thier units to appreciate anyway, and we simply do not deserve your remark to portray us as greedy in this case.

December 22, 2010 at 11:15 AMProp

Guys,if you happen to read any of the property books or attending any property seminars before,first criteria to select a good property is always "Location, Location, and Location". Gurney Park shines itself in this perspective but as for Maintaince,build Quality,Design it is just average.No point to feel frustrated or annoyed over the price hike,if you like the location then be ready to pay for the price,look harder as there are always good bargain around,auction could be an option.If not then go look elsewhere,there are so many other choices in Penang.I can recommend Tg Park and Marina Bay if you are looking in that area,but bear in mind they are also not perfect.

December 22, 2010 at 11:26 AMJeff

I did consider Tg park before i made my purchase in Gurney park. Heard that there will be a new Shopping Mall and 2 Residence towers to be built right infront of it. View may be block, and short-term may have to endure the noise from the construction. But as for long-term, it could be beneficial.

December 22, 2010 at 5:08 PMpeach

I agree that gurney Park stands out in term of location and it is also because of this that some unscrupulous owners profit from it though renting it out their rooms like a hotel on daily basis.

With thriving business like this they will not give up their good income at the expense of other permanent residence image. These owners seldom take care the condition of the house as every day is a pay day for them. They will rent it out until the wall collapses.

With this in mind. This condo will be burden with heavy traffic of budget conscious tourists and sick patients who need a cheap place to stay during their treatment.

At only $135 a month and less then 40% are paying. Present owners who refuse to allow a height in it's fee is only shooting their own feet. Eventually this condo will get more and more run down since the maintenance collected are insufficient to up keep the building sufficiently.

Good location does not mean positive. It can have negative impact for investors too.

December 22, 2010 at 6:55 PMTim

Talking about renting out unit on daily basis, Gurney Park is not too bad if I compare to Desa Pelangi Logan Road. 50% of the units in Desa Pelangi are made into illegal hotel for Indon patients to stay.

December 22, 2010 at 8:42 PMpeach

Tim, Gurney Park is worst as sometime the low budget tourists squeeze as many as 20 people in a small 3 bedroom apartment. I had witness this personally.

There is no control how many will turn up in one short term rental. Gurney Park is unique in this. No other Condo attract short term rental as much because of her excellent location. It will only get worst as more and more owners join in the pool of running their own boutique hotel.

That is why this Condo will always be exploited and run down. No respectable professional will want to make this their home sweet home. It's too chaotic. Today I could hardly get into the elevator as it was pack with 8 Indonesians carrying their big luggage/shopping bags. And I have to squeeze into it as I do not want to wait another 10 mins for the next elevator which might also cramped with foreigners on the cheap.

December 26, 2010 at 6:10 AMtan

Look like you can get a unit at rentoal below RM2,000/mth easily.

December 26, 2010 at 9:11 AMpeach


You are right. The apartment is relatively small 950SF with 3 bedrooms and 2 baths. Apart from the good location it has little to desire about. As I mentioned earlier this condo is like a 3rd class boutique hotel invaded with cheap local tourists and sick Indonesians who are here to seek treatments. Renting out per room basis at 50 to 60 Rm a night. Occasionally outstation students on cheap vacation cramping 20 people in one apartment.

No decent professionals or the like will choose this place for long term residence. Beside the constant elevators break down, smelly corridors, dirty swimming pool, broken gym and graffiti. The environment is deplorable.

I think with views and type of furnishing offered. 1500 TO 2000 a month is a fair deal. Those asking for 3000 and above is ludicrous!

December 27, 2010 at 11:19 AMJeff

Some actions have been taken against those converting theier units into service apartment. Alignment has been done during the last JMB meeting, some enforcements would take place to eliminate such activities. In fact some of these identified units belong to same owner.

December 28, 2010 at 11:45 AMBp

Check this out:

The condition of my unit is not any worse as compare to it.

December 28, 2010 at 6:19 PMpeach


I think the management should use it's whip to curtail daily short term rentals. The constant changes of varied occupants, brown, white,yellow and tourist of all sizes and religion beside barrage of wheel chaired sick people make my eyes dizzy just watching them passing by. I am also worried about the security and quality of life here. All these strangers marching in and out make this place like a public and high security risk condo.

I anticipate that these pesky owner who uses their condo like service apartments will have to stop their short term service apartment rental to long term rental in view of the management clamping down on them for their irresponsible behavior.

Watch this blog with more rentals available to follow!!!

December 31, 2010 at 9:28 PMST

only stupid ignorant fools buy gurney park for 500K and above ...

this small condo condition is like 'low cost flat' is worth only 400K and below

and this 'Sinking land' area is very dangerous ...

January 1, 2011 at 2:22 AMJR

Gurney park prices dropping ... now there are no buyers for 500K and above

those make appointment with agents for viewing have no real intention of buying just for 'look see' only ... they wonder how come this can be half million price

before this sellers/owners very 'lan si' they say make sure u have enough ready cash before u come view, now they say come come can 'chiam siong' (negotiate) ..... ha ha ha

January 1, 2011 at 8:43 AMpeach

If the management team is successful in stopping owners from renting rooms to Indonesians, Singaporeans and Local tourists. They will have to sell or rent cheap. Most condo owners cannot survive without their service apartments rental as they have to finance their high loans.

In the mean time sellers cannot sell as they can only sell above 500K to cash buyers since Banks cannot approve 90% loan as they are over priced. Cash rich will not buy this condo that looks like low cost flats.

If management cannot stop short term rentals this condo will continue to deteriorate and value of the condo will also go down. Which ever way this condo price will dropped.

January 1, 2011 at 5:07 PMtan

Do not be deceived by the sky high asking price.

Asking price is never equal to actual transaction price.

As a seller before, how I came out with asking price the typical asking price available in the internet, and top up 10-20%.

And then, wait for somebody naive/ignorant to....

January 5, 2011 at 11:18 PMpeach

Due to the inefficient control of Gurney Park condo. It is slowly revolving into a 3rd class service apartment/boutique hotel rented out on per room per day basis. I was told by one of the Indonesian maids that she cleaned 90 rooms a day. Since there are 3 rooms per apartment. This will translate to 30 apartments running as service apartment illegally.

Some owners who rented are not even aware that they are taken for a ride by these service apartment pirates!

Due to this issue I don't see any sane investor will want to buy this property. As the quality of life is much affected to genuine residents.

January 6, 2011 at 12:01 AMKS_rev


investor should invest this property, buy it and rent out daily/weekly as service room....woooooo hoooooo!!!!

January 6, 2011 at 5:27 AMsan

I think the Mgmt cannot do much to control. The only way is to lodge complaint to MPPP.

January 6, 2011 at 7:58 AMpeach

The revenue from the taxes on legit hotel rooms rental and taxes are lost. The State government should do something about it. Beside it is unfair to the real residence.

There is no proper law to protect such thing or if there are it is never implemented. This is why Malaysia is still a third world. The Government don't get it.

January 6, 2011 at 7:46 PMHappy

Agreed with peach. Government should do something.

I am sure the GP management is aware of this, how come they can not brain storm a solution?

January 6, 2011 at 10:59 PMRic

there is too many foreigners here... not just foreign workers but also sick foreigners

imagine you are resident living next door to all these sick foreigners gathering here seeking treatment for all sort of ailments !

this place will become like hospital wards ... !

January 8, 2011 at 7:31 AMpeach

The management should report these owners who run service apartment hotel style eg. daily rental to the Income Tax Department. Let the Income Tax department personnel go after them for unreported income. Hitting them where it hurts is the best solution - their pockets.

January 10, 2011 at 11:17 AMJeff

Peach, Rick, JR, ST, I guess you guys are not the owners and definitely did not joined in the JMB or received the follow up updates from management on this topic. Some concrete actions have been taken with improvements, these included:
1) Identification of units serve as service apartment, and meeting with the respective owners done. Few have agreed and stopped operation.
2) Meeting with immigration and department and YB Ng Wei yik. Police report lodge.
3) Issue order of demand from lawyer to the remaining stubborn operators. This is done, and another few stopped operation.
The next step is to file a case and sue them in court. Already in progress.

Come on guys, give some faith and support to Gurney park management, they can be as efficient and gutful as compare to bayswater.

January 10, 2011 at 11:25 AMJeff

Another information is that Gurney Park is confirmed going for Strata title application. All Owners require to supply the required documents to management office eg. copy of S&P in order to proceed. Over here i also would like to urge all fellow owners to support and compliant to this diligently as this title is very crucial to us from the legal perspective, right now the property still considered under the ownership of developer. and again, good job to Gurney park management, some of these could have come much earlier but never late than ever, you have done alot of things right now and please continue to push things to the end in style.

January 10, 2011 at 12:52 PMSun

Good Job done so far to GP Management.I cant wait to see the complete shutdown of service apartment operations.Those assholes operators should be dealt with accordingly and they deserve whatever punishments given to them.Iam also very happy to see the strata title application,this is very much required.Hoping that fellow owners will not feel reluctant due to time and cost involved,in long run it defnitely worth the effort,price will appreciate.

January 11, 2011 at 10:57 PMWM

After more than 11 years, Gurney park still NO STRATA TITLE !

anyone know the reasons why ???

this mean whoever buy this condo is not the legal owner as it is still under the ownership of the Developer !!

... better buy other property with strata title already available

February 22, 2011 at 9:58 PMtan

I saw a posting hi floor 2 cp at RM 380,000 in Mudah today

Why the asking price is so low? I tot the current price is well above RM 500,000

Haunted unit?

February 26, 2011 at 6:22 AMsan

The rental is dropping?

April 6, 2011 at 12:59 PMPenang Fan

Gurney Management is now taking action against defrauders by not allowing them to have access to their assigned car park. 50 names were posted the biggest defrauder is Chew Cheok Kin alias Chew Seok Kim(block 166-25-3) who owes $31,55.13. How did he owe so much is beyond me. All in a grand total of $144,867.82 was in the red. Hats off to the management. I hope they can recover at least half the amount owed.

May 22, 2011 at 11:17 PMHappy

When will be the service apartment shutdown?
Still seeing the service apartment operation is running...

June 1, 2011 at 1:27 PMPenang Fan

Starting today 1st Jun 2011. Only cars with stickers will be allowed entry to car park. Even those with touch and go card need a sticker otherwise the security will bar their entry too. This is to make tenants who owe monthly fee to pay up. If you don't pay up no stickers for you. Unfortunately those that do not have a car can continue to default payment as well as illegal daily sublet remain unaffected.

August 16, 2011 at 7:20 PMPenang Fan

Gurney Park management is putting another noose on owners of service apartment. Service apartment run rampant here and real residents find them a nuisance. The management are now reissuing entry card(hopefully with photo ID). Each entry card need owner to sign and approved with photo in application form and those owing money will have to pay up to be issued. Let's see if this works. Bravo to the new steps taken. Beprepared to see selling spree from Service Apartment owners or rentals.

September 6, 2011 at 2:22 AMDan

@ong June 7

Don't think anyone will be selling for close to 450k - have to be prepared to spend at least 550k for low floor with no reno, 650k for high floor with reno and furnishing.

September 6, 2011 at 6:40 AMPenang Fan

Bank valued the highest floor units at less then 500K so to buy for 650K You have to foot the 150K cash and then take a 90% loan. Initial down payment would be 165K and that is no renovation included.If you spend another 100K on renovation. Your initial cash outlay is 265K After that you pay almost 5K a month on mortgages. Highest floor unit fully furnished unit can only rent for about 3K a month. So to me it is not worth buying this property at all.

September 6, 2011 at 6:47 AMPenang Fan

Gurney Park owners are greedy. The price they are expecting is unrealistic. How to buy when you need nearly 300K cash(100K renovation) then only you can qualify for a bank loan for the remaining 450K. Your monthly mortgages is almost 5K and you cannot rent even for 3K a month. Does it make any sense/

September 6, 2011 at 10:21 AMcondomana

Dear Penang Fan,

Everyone knows home sellers have not been making sense for quite some time now. You sound surprise??

And a typical property seller in Penang will always try to get luckier then then person who sold a similar property before him/her..:)..for as long as they can hold on to the property. That probably explains the low turnover rate of transactions.

September 18, 2011 at 6:32 AMTim

Hi there,

Don't be upset. Check around. There is offer at 570K (hi floor).

October 20, 2011 at 11:58 PMpgkia88

Even with ID Card, the stupid management is still not doing anything to stop strangers from entering. A lot of units are still happily operating as hotel, with different guest everyday.

October 21, 2011 at 8:57 AMElson

GP, many china doll, =x

October 21, 2011 at 9:04 AMPenang Fan

Guess as long as they pay the monthly fee the management couldn't care less if this condo is running like a 3rd class hotel. They only care about is money. I suggest all residence should make formal complaints to all owners who sublet to 3rd class hotel operators. This condo is like a low class condo. Just see the ceiling of the lifts falling apart.

October 24, 2011 at 2:50 PMtanprop

Gurney Park residents need to push for the Strata title to be issued, only then they will be able to form a JMB, and do things in the way they wanted to be. Currently the building is being managed by PPC, appointed by developer, and i must say they are just doing the half-boiled job. Keep changing the officers and technicians, and seem to be lack of competency. The management director mark Saw also no where to be sighted, perhaps he doesn't even know or cares what is the condition in Gurney park instead of just collecting monthly pay cheque.

With this super strategic location, Gurney park just need some simple touch up to turn it into a real super condo status, such as repainting, thorough cleaning at poolside, or simply replacing the floor tiles there. Fix the gym, repair/replace the faulty equipment and open it for residents with card control. Provide permanent fix to the lift, exterior and interior. There is 1.5 mil of sinking fund and i don't understand why nobody knows how to make full use of it. As For the illegal service apartment operators, this is a bit tricky, may have to deal with them legally.

October 26, 2011 at 3:48 PMhouse

The strata title is in progress. So hopefully this can be obtained soon.
Yes I agree that with some sprucing up, the price should increase further. Location is strategic.

November 22, 2011 at 12:52 AMpgkia88

The management is doing nothing to stop the apartment become a motel. Infact, they open the door for those motel's client that is without the smart card to enter the building.

November 22, 2011 at 8:50 AMElson

mean good business there ya? lol

November 28, 2011 at 5:46 PMColl

cck99388, what is your preference and budget? I am not an agent, just wanna help. I struggled for a while until finally found one last year. Anyway the mnt fees is RM180/month.

November 29, 2011 at 4:34 AMPenang Fan

Greedy owners want 650K to 750K when bank only value it to 500K. Meanwhile the place is a dump. Just check the elevator broken ceilings. Sick patients lurks in and out. It is like a 3rd class motel only worst. As mostly are sickly and has mobility issue. It is worst then some low cost housing. Why would any there be any sales is beyond me. Only Jack Ass will want to buy a dump like this.

November 29, 2011 at 3:57 PMColl

Penang Fan, bank valuation can fetch >=550k now depending on the floor, view, and condition of the unit. I got mine @550k end of last year with 90% loan. The agent introduced me the banker and everything was done smoothly. No strata title, but to get the developer approval and also finally obtained the key, it only took me 2 months. Heard from my neighbour he just sold his high floor, tg tokong view, fully reno and furnished unit at 600k months back, however i am not sure about the loan package for the buyer. 650k to 750k would be a bit too much but i do notice the lower floor units going for around 550k. The service apartments issue still existing but i must say it has improved singnificantly in the past half a year. There use to be tonnes of people waiting at lobby to be picked up but now can only see a few, including the medical tourist. The elevator ceiling was repaired but after a week it was vandalize again.

This condo is located just between gurney plaza and future paragon mall, it cant be the "dump" as what you have described. There are >1.5mil sinking fund in the bank and just need to do some simle touch up and it will again look great.

November 29, 2011 at 9:25 PMPenang Fan

Yeah, 1.5 million Rm in the piggy bank so what?Several elevator's broken ceiling cost how much to repair? It's been years on end in such deplorable and dilapidated condition. Beside one elevator not running for years. Does this not qualify to be called a dump? Some low cost housing has cleaner and better condition elevators.

November 30, 2011 at 6:15 PMcck99388

Hi Coll,

Thanks for the respond. I have no idea on the budget, as i plan to purchase and rent it out. Meaning it should be balance within the installment per month and price of the unit. Do you know how much the rental can fetch in gurney park?..

Thanks again!

December 2, 2011 at 4:46 PMPenang Fan

The rental varies between $3000 to $1500. Depending on furnishing and views commanded. But I have known sleek owners renting up to $5000 to naive foreigners. Such high rentals are usually short live as once the foreigners found out that they have been over billed they will not renew their rental contracts.

March 21, 2012 at 3:46 PMHappy

Now still got over 80 service aparments..really a big issue.

March 21, 2012 at 3:47 PMHappy

I saw somebody want to sell his unit at 700K at if anybody want to buy with this price.

March 25, 2012 at 8:53 PMlim

Any land sinking problem recently?

March 26, 2012 at 7:50 AMPenang Fan

I do not think this condo is worth 700,000K Rm based on the fact that in order to make this condo profitable. You would need at least a 6% return per nnum. That means you need to rent it for at least 3,500 Rm a month. So unless you can get some one to pay such rent. 700,000K Rm just won't cut it.

May 22, 2012 at 3:42 AMDaniel

Many units are now listed at over 700k, even up to 800k.

The new Paragon mall is almost done building (the outside anyway, so construction will decrease) and another 5* hotel going up. This will probably bring the value's up even higher. (Or the perceived value from the owners perspective anyway).

They are currently taking a service apartment owner to court, documents just posted. They are being sued by the condo (probably trying to check out the result on this owner before they take all service apartment renters to court).

If the service apartment can be fixed, repaint for the outside and some fixes inside this could be a 1 million RM residence as crazy as that sounds.

May 22, 2012 at 3:02 PMGP

Daniel, agree with you, so what is reasonable price for a mid floor unit (20th floor) with a 2 years tenancy RM2.5K? I am thinking to let go my unit...

May 22, 2012 at 3:03 PMGP

Daniel, agree with you, this can help to increase the value of gurney park.
BTW, i have 1 unit with new renovation, and tenanted at RM2.5k for 2 years, so what is the reasonable price?Pls advise, thanks.

May 22, 2012 at 5:21 PMJT

Heard bank can approve loan up to 90% of 650k for Gurney Park. Quite amazing, hopefully somebody can confirm this. GP, if this is true, the reasonable rental for your unit should be at RM3300 per month in order to clinch a reasonable 6% rental yield, are you spoiling the market now?

May 22, 2012 at 10:10 PMGP

JT, thanks for your sharing, my friend from HSBC mortgage even share with me their "internal review" for gurney park is up to RM700k after Paragon is fully complete, so i believe 90% for 650k as you mentioned...i can see an uptrend interm of price from those property websites...all want to sell at least 650k and above...
i am thinking to sell my unit and invest to other property...

May 23, 2012 at 3:48 AMPenang Fan

What wrong information you all are spreading. I just enquire 2 banks. HSBC and Hong Leong. The best quote they can give is 90% base on max. 550K Rm for high floors and must be in fairly food condition. Please be responsible and do not inflate the price here to deceived prospective buyers. Can you name the HSBC rep that approved 90% of 700K please?

May 24, 2012 at 5:24 AMDan

I think with a 2 year term at 2500RM and with the possibility that values will go higher when the mall is built you should be "asking" in the mid 700's. In two years the price could be upwards of 800-900k.

Of course this could rely on bank financing conditions. However I was just speaking with a rep from Maybank (he was at Gurney Mall at a property show last weekend) and he said if I wanted to refinance with them they could value the property at 700k (but I could only get a 80% loan as a foreigner).

Penangfan, I think your numbers are a little old - if someone is looking to actually buy with 10% down it would be easy to get financing with a valuation of at least 650k, probably higher.

Regarding 6% rental rate ... no here, 2500RM per month is actually a good price ... some are closer to 2200RM. There is definitely a disconnect between rent and property prices in all of Penang. You can get a landed house for 1 million, or pay 1500RM in rent a month!

I don't know what will happen with property prices, but I do know that current developments are being sold for 1000+ per sq/ft.

Gurney Park (even with it's problems) is a high demand location, probably the most sought after mid range condo in Penang, with Gurney Mall on one side and Paragon on the other it's like living in a little piece of Sinapore.

May 24, 2012 at 6:58 AMalan

Seems like the rental never goes up.

It is still in the range of RM2K-2.5K since 3 years ago.

May 24, 2012 at 8:40 AMtanprop

Penang Fan, like it or not, face the reality, GP valuation for high floor, renovated unit is indeed able to fetch up to 650k with 90% LVR. If you have locked on any good unit which fulfil the high floor and renovated requirement, send me the details then I can direct you to the right banker:-

May 25, 2012 at 3:32 AMPenang Fan

For the last 3 years. The rental for G.P.has been hovering around the 2000 to 2500 a month range and has never improve so I wouldn't pay more then 550,000 for an approximate 6% return investment. I have seen recently advertised for 1800 a month in Mudah too. Go figure. This is not a good investment. Owner can ask all they want but not many idiots out there would pay that kind of prices. Check this:

May 25, 2012 at 9:09 AMPenang Fan

Mudah Ad: 22nd May 2012,Fully furnished and renovated.
move in condition, seaview for 1800 pm.

And some seller asking 780K?

Can you imagine paying 780K more the 3/4 million and you will be struggling to rent for 2500 a month. Again 3/4 million Rm investment for less then 2.75% yield. Not for me. Thanks!

May 25, 2012 at 1:55 PMspp

Location for gurney park is tip-top and i don't think anybody would have any doubt in it. The problem here is with the capability of current management team. They are doing the mere basic maintainance which most of the time under fire-fighting mode, and quality of works simply not anywhere near satisfaction. They do not have a "heart" to improve GP to a higher level with full sustainability. The JMC members are nowehere to be seen, sometimes i even doubt that they ever staying within gurney park. One Dato is holding the chairman title but do not seem to play any influence at all. They scared of drawing sinking fund as current running cost already high, but not knowing that by not fixing the problems permanently and keep doing the patch up job wouldn't help neither. PPC is a disaster, keep changing the workers and none of them seems to be competent to handle or keep up with all the issues arise. Their director Mark Saw only worry about how to keep his business going without putting in additional effort to prove himself.

Gold coast is completed around the same timeframe as GP, but the whole building is being maintained so well that it looks brand new. The residents and committe there really serious and concern about their home. There aren't many owners using GP for own staying but for investment purpose and that could be the real problem.

Hopefully once the title is given, residents can form their own committe and take a lead from there. They must have a gut to utilize sinking fund for the future good-will, and not keep on going round the bush and fire-fight. Things need to be improved include lift upgrade, gym restoration, swimming pool/tennis court restoration, and a fresh coat of paint would be just nice.

May 25, 2012 at 5:23 PMtwyeow88

no doubt it is a good location. but a bit congested with more buildings coming up. and traffic problem.

i like gold coast. it's in a self contained town of QB.

May 26, 2012 at 3:05 AMPenang Fan

Yes i agree. If you walk into the lobby you will noticed that it is no better then any low cost housing estate.

One elevator is out of commission for years and the remaining get broken down very frequently. The ceiling of these elevators are in tatters and bits. The buttons all broken and floor is in deplorable condition.

Actually the lobby is quite disgusting. No wonder the rent can never go higher then 2500 a month.

Beside sick and dying people waiting for vans to take them to hospitals every where. It's like living in a hospice.

May 26, 2012 at 5:40 PMDaniel

New person I just spoke with negotiated a unit from a seller. Seller was asking 690,000RM, sold for 680,000RM, high floor furnished, not renovated.

He's an investor thinking GP will increase in price and plans to rent out unit (doesn't really care how much he gets).

Although will only get about 4-5% return, if the price goes up by 100k once the mall opens he'll have gotten a 16.6% return. I guess that's the risk he's taking.


I do completely agree that something needs to change at the condo - I am thinking of running for a position on the board at the next meeting. I will make sure things change.

May 29, 2012 at 3:31 AMPenang Fan

Gurney Park recent sale price down to 580K and rent down to 1800K pm. Is the property price falling in Penang or is it just Gurney Park only?

May 30, 2012 at 11:26 PMPenang Fan

Daniel, Are you in your right mind? The rental will have to be 10,790 Rm per month at 16.6% base on valued condo at 780K. Who will pay this price for a small 950 sf run down condo like Gurney Park? Is that being realistic?

Palladium is struggling to rent their condo at 10,000 pm. It is newer and 3 times bigger with better facilities then G.P. Please don't treat us like fools and do not exaggerate. Your claim is totally outrages.

June 3, 2012 at 1:42 AMJosh

Penang Fan, I ask you this question back - Are you in your right mind?? Do you not know how to read??? The return rate that Daniel mentioned is based on potential increase of property price, NOT rental returns! Only a real idiot will assume that this amount is based on rental returns. Oh wait, that's what you did. Guess what that makes you?

June 3, 2012 at 10:55 AMPenang Fan

Josh you're the one that can't read. Daniel said "Although will only get about 4-5% return(pay 680K, rental 2200 pm is about 4% rental return), if the price goes up by 100k once the mall opens he'll have gotten a 16.6% return"That is 10,700 pm which is impossible for a run down 950 sf condo. That 4-5% is base on rental not capital gain.
Your apology will be accepted!

June 3, 2012 at 8:38 PMJosh

Penang Fan, thanks for giving me a good laugh, that's what I did when I read your reply. It is blatant that the 4 - 5% gain comes from rental returns, no need to try to explain that to me - it was never disputed in the first place. On the other hand, it is obvious to the highest degree that the 100k mentioned by Daniel refers to the projected increase of the selling price. To think that this refers to rental is so absurd & far fetched that no one in their right mind would ever say that it is. That makes you an exception, and guess what that means?

Oh, and by the way - no need for you to accept any apology because I won't be giving one. The one apologizing should be none other than you - for repeatedly trying to mislead readers & contributors here through your exaggerating & misinterpreting. Unfortunately for you, we are much smarter than you think. No one would fall for your crap

June 12, 2012 at 7:55 AMpeach

I am looking to rent between 2nd Oct 2012 to 15th March 2013. About 6 months. I am a single professional USA resident. I prefer a fully furnished high floor unit with a view. Budgeted between 1800 to 2200 a month. If available please give me your email or phone here. Thanks!

August 18, 2012 at 11:17 AMPenang Fan

Resignation of PPC International Penang came as not a shock. They have been trying to remove illegal rentals which many complaint is the reason the condo is not improving. Some of the owners who are doing these illegal rentals are also in the committee and resisting any action taken. Worst non guilty parties who were approached to be witness back out in the law suit.

It is so sad that they hired professional to make things right but instead they are chasing a good management team away due to a few crooks within the committee. The rest has no balls to fight it through.

So looks like Gurney Park will continue it illegal holiday rental business as usual.

September 4, 2012 at 5:33 PMJosh

The EGM will be held on Sept 17. Let's see how things turn out then

September 13, 2012 at 10:23 AMkm

Hi Penang Fan,

I am an owner but now based elsewhere. Thus I am very keen to know more about what's happening to Gurney Park. Please do share with me if you have further info. I can be contacted at if you think it is better to communicate via email.

I received PPC resignation letter email. In there, they named 3 committee members who weren't cooperative (e.g. didn't want to sign cheques for basic necessity like paying PUB). Why are these 3 doing in the committee then? If they are acting this way (which to me is plain childish), then they are not putting the interest of owners first, rather they seem to have "personal agenda"??

I heard previously that PPC was trying to get rid of the illegal operators. If PPC resign and the "wrong" people are elected in, then the illegal operators might continue growing their BIG business happily. These unscrupulous operators don't care about the welfare of the condo. They just want to make money. If you calculate the amount they make, it is big money coz I met Indos staying there and they tell me how much it cost and it's fully booked most of the time. Anyway, what they are doing is illegal and they dare do it in broad daylight. They might even be evading tax. I recall when I went to my unit when I first got my keys, a lady from neighbouring unit saw me and came out to ask if I am the owner and whether I wish to rent or even sell to her. She said she is renting rooms out. See how much money they can make that they are willing to buy. Another time I saw an Indo maid coming out from a unit with a BIG bunch of keys. It means they have many many units that are being rented out.

Although I can't be back for the EGM, I sincerely hope the owners will make the right decision and vote out the 3 committee members first. What is this not signing cheque to pay for utilies. Later electricity gets cut off, then all the lifts cannot move. Those stay at high floor how? Get rid of them for not doing their job and putting the interest of owners.

I really love Gurney Park for the reason that it is very convenient. All basic necessities is just at your door step. Where else can one find this. People say getting to Gurney Park got jam. Where in Penang no jam. Even Green Lane also jam. For me, Gurney Park is so near town and so the jam will be shorter compared to Green Lane, right? That is why I did not sell my unit even though I am base elsewhere now.

Please update me if you have any info especially about the EGM.

September 13, 2012 at 1:29 PMPenang Fan

Don't you see the 3 members are trying to blackmail or hold everyone at ransom so they can continue to operate their lucrative rentals to Indonesian sick patients. I know some of these crooks has several units and they also rented a few more to operate their businesses. All they care about is their pocket. I wish some working with the tax department can go after these crooks. I am sure they are not paying any taxes either.

I wish PPC who has the list of these illegal rentals unit can hand it to the Tax personnel and have these units owners investigated. If they evade taxes they will be fine heavily. That should be deterrent enough for them so they can learn a lesson.

These 3 are gangster type so everyone in the committee is weary about offending them.

I think they have to go irrespective what. I am not in the committee so I cannot do anything but sight.

For the sake of a brighter future I hope the committee will have the balls to vote these 3 pest out so business will be run accordingly.

September 13, 2012 at 1:40 PMPenang Fan

These 3 crooks has been making huge profits. I asked the Indonesians about how much they pay. Each room was charge between 50Rm to 80Rm. Multiply that by 3. It's 200Rm a day and 6000Rm a month. Normal rentals are between 2000 to 3000 the most.

So why should they care with such huge returns. They are like mafias in the condo and the committee are too scared to do anything.

Even PPC is now resigning so I am sure the next management will be bought out by these 3 committee members to silence everyone.

Quite scary to think about the future of Gurney Park.

September 14, 2012 at 12:37 AMkm

Sounds really like gangster. I heard one of them brags that he is a Chartered Accountant. Come on, what's so great about being a CA. So common these days. If he is real rich, ask him stay next door instead... Paragon suits him better.

Anyway this EGM is the time when the owners can vote in the right party. Even though I don't know much about what's happening, I'll definitely be wise not to vote those 3 into the committee again. The more we owners should not be held ransom by them. Can you imagine if they are voted in, it'll be a catastrophe. What if they demands we pay them for serving on the committee or to sign cheques? We are at their mercy then. I heard from another condo the ex chairman demanded to be paid $100 for each cheque he signs.

Our ex chairman is a lawyer who is in KL. He said that he flies out on his own expense and time for committee meetings. Though I have never met him before, but from this it proofs his commitment to serve the owners. I Google about him and found he does voluntary work. Speaks volume compared to the CA bragger.

For owners who rented their unit to illegal operators, don't they see how much damage is done to their flat. It'll deteriorate faster coz the Indo who stay few days will definitely not take care their unit. Why not rent to proper family/ couple. So I don't understand why they want to side the illegal operators.

Too bad I am overseas, else I'll surely be there to question those 3 first on their past actions. If they cannot even sign cheque to pay for electricity, then something is really amiss them. I'll be very afraid whether they'll get their own croonies to be the management company and get kickbacks. I question their integrity and purpose in getting elected.

If Gurney Park is run well, price will appreciate.

September 14, 2012 at 1:11 AMkm

I re read the resignation letters of PPC, chairman and committee member Lisa. I feel they are standing up to these crooks coz they dare state the names of those who are causing trouble. This is to bring things to the attention of all owners. I feel we should elect the old committee like our Chairman and PPC in as they have been serving for years. Furthermore they are trying to get rid of the illegal operators. I wouldn't want the crooks to be the new committee and allow such illegal business on our premises.

September 14, 2012 at 7:49 AMPenang Fan

Horrible scenario for Gurney Park Condo. As more and more units are turn into 3rd rate hospice like rental units. As no one will want to buy or rent it accept those sick and desperate Indons.

Educated owners who knows such outcome can refuse to rent their units to these operators but how long can they last waiting for normal people to rent. Beside the rent offered by illegal operators could be very attractive and enticing.

Expatriate won't rent and locals will not buy. Only the operators will win eventually. They will suck the condo dry and make it into ruins due to neglect and poor house up-keeping. Take the elevators for instance. They are broken and run down for years. The lobby floor and ceiling looks old and dirty. The gym room never function as one.

I went into one or two units and found the condition deplorable. The unit stink and smell of death everywhere. Some maids slept outside the corridor and sleeping mats all over the living room floor.

It is a real eye sore. How can the value goes up no matter how good the location is. The condo just looks like a low cost flats. In fact I have seen low cost flats look better.

September 14, 2012 at 2:10 PMspp

The committees which have just stepped down may have already tried and given their best, but never up to the standard as it should be. These people are not physically staying in Gurney park so therefore do not expect them to be sensitive and responsive towards all the issus which residents are facing. Condition of building and facilities deteoriating each day: erratic lift breakdown incidents, leakages issue, ulgy pool side, run-down tennis court, un-usable gym room, graffiti on wall everywhere, broken glass panel, and broken lamp covers just a name a few, these have been going on for sometimes but never being responded and attended promply. At the other hand the management firm PPC led by Mark Saw is a clear-cut failure, slow in response, and technically in-competent to handle all the cases arise. In most cases they are just doing the patch up jobs, but never think for the long term permanent fix.

Being a genuine owner, seriously i wound't mind to let another team of committees and management firm to run the show. However I do wish that the committes can fulfil the following criterias:

1) Non service apartment operator;
2) Staying in Gurney Park
3) Professionals who do not behave like a low class gangster.
4) Have a gut to utilize sinking fund for the good of Gurney park.
5) Have a gut to ask for increase in maintainance fees. current RM180
is seriously short-charged.

September 15, 2012 at 3:34 PMkm

Have you guys read PPC reply to the questions
posted by some owners (I believe orchestrated
by the 3 crooks maybe)? I am very in doubt of
these 3 crooks integrity. If they form the new
committee, I am so afraid of how much money
they siphon from our sinking fund.
How can they approve the engagement of a
new management company when there is
technically no management committee now?
And they even break in to the office and get
owners' info? They act like gangsters.

By the way, looks like the illegal operator Lee
Tak Seng is losing. Got interim injunction
against him. But if the new committee is his
friends, then they might not proceed with his

I wonder now how the EGM will turnout with
these bullies around.

September 17, 2012 at 1:59 AMPenang Fan

The problem with Gurney Park is most of residents are uneducated "Ah Too or Ah Kow" type. So many are easily manipulated by aggressive and hooligan type sitting in the committee. We need someone who strong and will take strong action with no fear as the chairman.

September 19, 2012 at 4:37 PMspp

I joined in the EGM on 17-Sep. Response from the residents was good, qourom was met and things went through smoothly in an orderly basis. Pulau Tikus YB.Koay Teng Hai also presence on that day. 12 committees were elected, where Mr. Hui was appointed as the chairman. All these 12 committees have made a pledge that they are not involve in the service apartment business within GP.

I wuould say that the whole ordeal is finally over, now its time for the new committees to prove themselve and no point to look back. PDC is already a thing in the past which they deserved this as obviously not performed all these years.

I would urge to stop all un-supported and speculative comments/accusations made towards GP so far, things weren't as bad as it is and only the genuine owners know the best.

September 19, 2012 at 4:52 PMspp

I would like to correct the previous comment made by Penang Fan that most GP residents are un-educated people - this is trully insulting. I don't see why myself and most of the residents i met on that day deserve this kind of malignant remark. Myself holding a senior managerial post in an established MNC, and many of those i talked to that day are professional including a lawyer and doctor. Most of the elected committes also possessed certain professional background.

So for Penang Fan, i think it is time for you to stop all these nonsense and give us the residents some peace of mind.

September 20, 2012 at 4:33 AMPenang Fan

SSB, Filthy lobby/car park floor and wall, leaks, broken lamp shades, broken ceiling and button panels in elevator, old and non functional gym equipments, dirty swimming pool, sick people lining up each morning for the hospitals, graffiti walls, broken elevators for months if not years etc.

They are all truth. Every resident of GP can acknowledge these faults. Where are the so call unsupportive statements I made?

Are you not aware of all these short comings?

September 20, 2012 at 10:00 AMspp

Penang Fan,

I share the same sentiment toward the deteriorating building condition as you do, you can refer to my previous post. Understood that some of the presence committee members also involved in the previous adminstration, but i would give them some benefits of doubt as PDC was the one runing the show back then. For this part I am willing to wait and give them a chance to prove themseve. Building is aging and more issues are arising, this is normal and same situation also being faced by others such as Marina Bay and Gold Coast before. The residents there also went through some hard times until they found the right committees to do the job. Now the situation there has improved alot and things are nicely back into order. I believe Gurney park can do the same thing as long as all residents unite together, put in passion and effort, things will eventually change.

As for the un-supported statements you made:

1) The 3 "crooks" who are the current committees members, were trying "to blackmail the residents and supporting the service apartment operation". To me this is a serious accusation. As far as i know, at least they dare to stand infront of everyone on the EGM and declared that they are not involve in that business. Please provide an evidence here if you have any.

2) Most of the Gurney Park residents are un-educated Ah Too and Ah Kow type.

September 20, 2012 at 4:30 PMJosh

Penang Fan, you have blatantly accused the 3 committee members of operating illegal service apartment units. Well, I say: PROVE IT. Where is the evidence? "Educated" people like you should know better than to make blind accusations without facts

Even PPC does not dare to directly accuse the committee members of being involved in the service apartment business, as they are well aware that their accusations are without basis & that they can be subject to legal action should they do so. The most they can do is to try & cast doubt into peoples' minds by saying vaguely that "some of the very vocal owners appear to have a vested interest in ensuring all efforts to remove the service apartment operators through legal means are frustrated as they are among those who rented out their units to those operators." Notice here that no names are mentioned, neither are unit numbers stated. The expression "appear to" is not solid at all and cannot be viewed as affirmative

Penang Fan, if you have evidence suggesting otherwise, I challenge you to make a police report & hand over SOLID proof, including:

- Unit numbers
- Dates & times of offenses
- Pictures / recordings
- Eyewitness statements
- Supporting documents

It is easy to hurl accusations anonymously over the internet behind a computer screen from the comfort of your own home, but if you really have solid evidence, come out & prove it. Otherwise, SHUT UP. I expect your next reply to contain facts which support your allegations. Any other reply will be viewed as garbage, just like what you seem to be

September 22, 2012 at 1:38 PMhouse

i am an owner. i agree the place needs sprucing up as it is rundown after more than decade old. so i hope d new committee will do something to turn gp around.

however, i strongly urge them to first kick the operators out. no matter how nice gp is, if it continues being a motel for Indonesian ppl and some are sick, its a big turnoff. lets hope the new committee will follow up with court hearing and not let our $ spent previously to get d interim injunction on d operator go to waste.

kick operators out and refurbish gp! then definitely gp will be a better place for everyone.

September 22, 2012 at 7:27 PMJosh

Yes, the service apartments have to go, the sooner the better. Good to see that there are positive steps being taken in this regard and that the committee members pledge to continue in this right direction. They have openly & publicly declared their position for all to hear, so there is no doubt as to where they stand on this matter

It is good that there are actual owners here (house, km, spp, myself, etc.) who are genuinely concerned about Gurney Park, UNLIKE some people who are NOT owners but PRETEND to know everything and try to stir up trouble, berating Gurney Park as much as possible, even to the extent of accusing people WITHOUT proof, ultimately FAILING to produce any evidence when challenged (Penang Fan)

September 22, 2012 at 11:59 PMPenang Fan

Let's see if the 3 musketeers will hinder any attempt to eliminate daily or short term rentals. It is a good time for them to prove themselves that they are clean.

The truth shall prevail.

September 29, 2012 at 9:47 AMPenang Fan

Is Gurney Park a hotel now? Room selling at 112rm a night advertised in;label=[[CID]];sid=6ab8f7978a2e633e89ac979f6289df2c;dcid=1;checkin=2012-10-02;checkout=2012-10-05;srfid=7400602d86878c9ce58999f7118a8133X51

They are really bold. Wish the hotel association will take some action.

September 30, 2012 at 2:10 AMJosh

Let's see if Penang Fan can come out with any evidence to support his claim that the 3 committee members are operating illegal service apartments. It is a good time for him to prove that his accusations are true & not baseless

The truth shall prevail - that Penang Fan is a world class idiot


September 30, 2012 at 2:20 AMJosh

Is Penang Fan an idiot now? He openly accused 3 members of the Gurney Park Residents Committee of operating illegal service apartments, including the current chairman. When challenged to prove his allegations, he cowardly chickened out & FAILED to provide any evidence whatsoever (what do you expect when it is obvious that he has none?). Now he is trying to DIVERT the subject, when what we ACTUALLY WANT is for him to show proof, or to retract his accusations & apologize to readers of this website for posting lies & trying to mislead them

He is really bold. Wish the moderator of this website will take some action!

September 30, 2012 at 11:55 AMPenang Fan

The truth is that the culprit is worried and scared stiff about my exposing their betraying fellow owners openly renting out rooms like hotels.

The hotel association should step in and take action beside these culprit should be reported to the tax department for evading taxes.

I am sure their daily rent collected are never reported.

I hope anyone who has some link to the tax office should start their investigation.

September 30, 2012 at 12:30 PMJosh

Penang Fan, if you have evidence against the 3 committee members who you accuse of operating illegal service apartments, expose it NOW! What on earth are you waiting for??? I already asked you FOUR times already to prove your allegations!!! If you fail to do so by today, it will prove that you are nothing but a spiteful liar

October 21, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Talk is cheap. Lets see if the new committee members can stop the service apartment operators. Heard that they are buying up more units. Are we not seeing the indonesian sick people sitting at the front of Pine tower waiting for pick up?

October 21, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I hope the new committee will take steps to fix the poor conditions of the looby and lifts.

October 22, 2012 at 9:46 AMPenang Fan

Service apartment operators has infiltrated into the committee so it is hard to repel these operators as they have inside supporters. If after 1 year they cannot do anything bring in new members!

October 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Penang Fan,
PLease expose who in the committee is linked to the service apartment operators. The residents will appreciate it. THis will also put pressure on those involve to behave. Else we will expel them in next committee election.

October 24, 2012 at 5:00 PMJosh

Agree with the above post... Penang Fan - expose the committee members who you claim to be involved IF you have evidence. This is the FIFTH time I'm asking you (refer to my previous posts). Every time I ask you to do so, you fail without fail! No wonder people think of you as a pathetic liar!

October 25, 2012 at 1:06 AMpgkia88

While i do not know which commitee members that Penang Fan allege to be involved, i am very sure which unit is involved. I know oneunit which operate this "hotel", because it is very near my unit. The unit number is Pine 7-3A. Go take a look :)

October 25, 2012 at 3:13 AMJosh

166-7-3A has been known to be a service apartment for quite some time, it was on the list of service apartments released by the previous management. Owner's name is listed as 'Eng Siew Mooi' (not sure whether there has been a change of owner since then as the list is almost 2 years old!) Hopefully the new management can come up with an updated list. Anyway, thanks pgkia for sharing the info. At least we now know that this unit is still actively operating as a service apartment. By the way, there's another unit near yours which I know to be active till now (7-7)

October 25, 2012 at 8:25 AM

I am sure some of the committee members read the discussions. I am looking for legal actions to get rid of the operators. It is not difficult at all to collect evidences. There were some RELA personnel taking details of the Indonedians who use the apartment for day use. Those are proofs. If needed have another round of special task force consisted of RELA to collect more evidence. This is time for collective action for our own good.

October 25, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Penang Fan,
Just mention the names. No need evidence as I know it is not easy to do. The lawyer we engage should be able to guide us on how to compile evidences since these are the real issues. I will suggest we have a special meeting with the committee to get some update from the lawyer about this case, and from the committee on the handling of illegal operator.

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November 10, 2012 at 9:30 PMhouse

saw news that debenhams going to open mid 2013. hope more big names will come to paragon.

btw any news on the illegal operator? how's the court case?

GP price is holding strong above $650k on average. some owners are asking in the high $700k. i wonder what's the average transacted price. anyone knows where to find?

January 4, 2013 at 4:30 AMpgkia88

Penang Fan, now that the previous commitee and management have been booted, all i see is the situation getting from worse to worst. And it seems that you have tone down too. Are you one of the commitee member now?

January 4, 2013 at 12:45 PMJosh

The management says they are implementing a new car sticker & access card system this year. Hope that will inprove things

March 29, 2013 at 11:08 PMGP

Just sold my unit with RM680k.

April 27, 2013 at 1:37 PMLinda Yeoh


Anyone may please provide info whether the GurneyPark's STRATA TITLE has been issued or not yet?

Greatly appreciated for the info.

April 27, 2013 at 8:44 PMJT

Not yet, still in the process of doing it.

April 27, 2013 at 9:00 PMJosh

Hi Linda, the strata application has already been made & is now pending

May 21, 2013 at 11:31 AMpgkia88

Another suicide? . Which unit? I suppose the unit that operate those mini hotels!

May 21, 2013 at 12:17 PMJosh

Confirmed that it DID NOT happen at Gurney Park, this incident occured at The Regency! Please DO NOT speculate here and get your facts right before posting!!!

May 21, 2013 at 12:24 PMJosh

Confirmed that it DID NOT happen at Gurney Park, this incident occured at The Regency! Please DO NOT speculate here and get your facts right before posting!!!

May 21, 2013 at 1:01 PMpgkia88

Josh, may i know how you confirm? Any supporting documents to back up your "facts"? You mean a person who cant pay medical bills will go up to a luxury condo just to commit suicide?

May 21, 2013 at 2:00 PMJosh

Pgkia, I have a unit in Gurney Park, you think I do not know what goes on in my own place? Having stayed at Gurney Park yourself (either as an owner or as a tenant, I'm not sure which), I think you should be acquainted with some of the residents there. Feel free to verify with them or with the Gurney Park management & security guards. Further proof: The condominium pictured in yesterday's Chinese news reports was The Regency (of course the name was not mentioned, but it is clear without a doubt). And the lady jumped from the 37th floor of the condo. The Regency highest floor = 37, Gurney Park highest floor = 39. Get it?

May 21, 2013 at 2:13 PMJosh

And now, my turn to ask you: What proof do you have that this incident happened in Gurney Park as you alleged? If you can't furnish any, then retract your earlier statement. And not to forget, you owe all residents of Gurney Park and eveyone here an apology for making an allegation that is far from the truth and completely misleading!

May 21, 2013 at 3:52 PMColl

it is The Regency

May 21, 2013 at 3:53 PMhouse

My neighbour sold her unit at $750k. Looks like price is appreciating. Hope the opening of Paragon next door will boost Gurney Park's value further.

May 22, 2013 at 2:34 PMspp

750k? un-real....understood that the valuation price is only 650k max.

May 22, 2013 at 10:05 PMPenang Fan

Owners at G.P. are unrealistic and greedy. It's stupid to pay 750K as this 99 yr least condo are poorly run and looks like a shabby medium cost apartment. For 750K investment. Rental must fetch at least 6,250 a month for a 5% yearly income to make it a worth while investment.

Check it out? Presently it is struggling to get 2000 to 2500 Rm a month. That's about 3% annual income return. I can get more in FD from any bank. Owners should get real. Stop trying to raise the price by telling lies that it got sold at 750K. I wouldn't take that as facts.

May 22, 2013 at 10:11 PMDarren Law

GP for RM750K? That's crazy. In town only one valuer firm will give the valuer. However, will the buyer possible to get the housing loan? From my understanding the bank will need 2 verbal indication from 2 different valuers. If is real, what I can say is the buyer totally do not know the market price & spoilt the market...

May 22, 2013 at 10:16 PMPenang Fan

Rent only 1800 Rm a month as recently advertised here 21st May 2013.How can a 750K only command a 1800 Rm monthly rental?

Mudah also advertised 1800Rm a month rental. Check and see.

21st May 2013
gurney park condo
beside gurney plaza
block 166
high floor

May 22, 2013 at 10:20 PMDarren Law

I really doubt on the RM750K. It's like about RM1K per sq ft for the so called apartment. Be realistic, I think this is someone who try to test the market to post it here.

May 23, 2013 at 12:01 AMDaniel

I always find the comments by Penangfan to be amusing! Keep it up. He's been trying to buy at Gurney for 4 years, offering 300k when they were 450k, offering 400k when they were 500k, now saying 650k when they are 700k+ ... He's bitter that he missed the boat.

New units in the area (Paragon, Setia, etc) are going for 1000 - 1100RM/sqft. Gurney Park is currently in the 700 - 800RM/sqft range which is about market value for a Free Hold Condo like Gurney Park.

Also, Gurney Park is Free Hold, not 99 year lease.

A nice, renovated, high floor unit, especially facing Paragon will not go for less than 700k ... if someone paid 750k, they'll realize a 100k gain in the next year, or two.

I look forward to 2014 when Penang fan is saying "900k for a Unit!! They are only worth 750k!"

May 23, 2013 at 12:16 AMDaniel

If you want proof Penang Fan has been bashing for years just look back in the blog:

Penang Fan
"Greedy owners want 650K to 750K when bank only value it to 500K. Meanwhile the place is a dump. Just check the elevator broken ceilings. Sick patients lurks in and out. It is like a 3rd class motel only worst. As mostly are sickly and has mobility issue. It is worst then some low cost housing. Why would any there be any sales is beyond me. Only Jack Ass will want to buy a dump like this.

November 29, 2011 at 4:34 AM"

Now he is saying "Greedy Owners" want 750k ... it's only worth 650k!

Wait a year ... Penang Fan will say "Greedy owners want 850k+, bank will only value at 750k" and so on, and so on.

You should just buy now and join those of us that are making money on the appreciation ... and rent.

May 23, 2013 at 12:23 AMPenang Fan

Get real Daniel. The rent is only 1800 a month. Gurney Park is also 99 years leasehold and about 13 years has been passed. So only 86 years left. Check it out.

You cannot compare with Paragon because it's like comparing Orange and peanuts. What a joke. Paragon is luxury condo. G.P is medium cost that look more like low cost now.

Gurney Park is falling apart. Just step into the lift and see the ceiling and button panels in tattered condition. Wake up your are either delusional or just plain naive.

May 23, 2013 at 12:29 AMhouse

To Penang Fan:

If you can even argue that Gurney Park is leasehold, then how to believe you know about pricing of this condo at all!! Simple thing like this also wrong. Get your facts right first. It is freehold.

May 23, 2013 at 12:33 AMJohnny Five

My god....gurney park is leasehold...13 years past somemore. This guy is real funny

May 23, 2013 at 12:35 AMJosh

Thanks Daniel, for bringing out the previous posts by Penang Fan

I found these ones extremely amusing:

January 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM

Penang Fan said...

"I am looking to buy a unit either in Pine or Maple. Any one selling at less then 450K please leave phone contact here."

November 29, 2011 at 4:34 AM

Penang Fan said...

"Only Jack Ass will want to buy a dump like this."

Conclusion: Penang Fan = Jackass

(I didn't say it, he said so himself ^^ )

May 23, 2013 at 12:43 AMJosh

By the way, Darren Law - 750k is 700 + per sq ft, NOT 1k! Go back and learn how to do math before posting here!

May 23, 2013 at 1:21 AMDaniel

Agreed, Josh.

Like I said, he's bitter. If he would have paid the going rate in Jan. 2011 (about 500k) instead of trying to lowball at 450k, he would have a paper gain of about 150 - 250k.

He would have been able to sell now at about 700k and had 200k in the bank.

Instead he is here now saying units are "only" worth 650k.

Wait a year, Paragon Mall is complete in a few months, so is the other 5* hotel that is right beside us. The building is being painted shortly and repairs are being estimated for the interior. Plus SA is being handled in court, etc., etc.

Penang Fan, save yourself the grief, buy now and make 100k in the next year.

May 23, 2013 at 2:54 PMspp

To get some facts right:

1) Gurney Park is Freehold, not Leasehold. There is no need to acquire state consent when you are buying, so this is evidenced.
2) No strata title yet but its under processing.
3) Market valuation price is 650k for a high floor, fully reno/furnished unit. This is half a year back data.
4) There is still ~1.5mil of sinking fund left. This amount of money is more than adequate for repainting, and to carry out some major over-hauls. This building is definitely not dying.
5) Name me another condo located in such prestigous address, right in between 2 of the upmarket shopping complex, seafront facing promenade, walking distance to reknown hawker center with <700k price tag.

May 24, 2013 at 11:29 AMPenang Fan

I am very sure this Gurney Park is least hold get that right. Check out your purchase contract. I learnt that from a loan banker. That's why it is difficult/impossible to get a 90% loan. Back in 2011 I would buy but now at over 750K I find that over priced for a dump like G.P.

It is terribly run down and it got worst since 2011. The Indonesian sick still launder this condo like a hospice. It is still running illegal day rent hotel style with strangers checking in and out like no body cares.

The only good thing I can say is the location but that alone won't command 750Rm a sq ft.

Lastly if this condo is so revered why is the current rentals still asking for 1800Rm a month? Well that sums up all and you cannot deny that fact. Nobody think this is worth more then 1800Rm a month condo that's why the rental is stagnant and looks like it is even heading south. That did not say much about this condo. My summary a bad investment for 3/4 million Rm.

May 24, 2013 at 11:40 AMPenang Fan

This recent ads appear on 21st May:

Gurney Park Condo
beside gurney plaza
block 166
high floor

So if this condo is so great why owner is so desperate to rent out at only 1800Rm?

Only reason is that it cannot command more because it is too run down and dilapidated.

May 24, 2013 at 1:09 PMJosh

Just because one unit in ORIGINAL condition is renting out at RM 1800, it doesn't mean other units which are fully renovated + furnished & in tip-top condition should follow!

Penang Fan's logic: If my neighbour who has done nothing to his house is renting it out at a low price, I should do the same as well even though my house is fully done up & well-equipped


May 24, 2013 at 1:11 PMJosh

Joke of the year: Gurney Park = "leasehold"

My advice to Penang Fan: Go find a new banker. Don't let his stupidity rub off on you (or vice versa) ^^

September 12, 2013 at 11:37 AMSIMON RAJ


September 13, 2013 at 12:41 AMPenang Fan

Just how can the security distinguishes who are long term and who are short term? Short term can lie that they are long term and moved out in a week or less. It is just not feasible as this 2 blocks have thousands moving in and out every day.

September 13, 2013 at 1:54 PMJoseph F

Penang Fan,
If you see people coming in with luggage and foreign look, it is expected for security to approach them to check their identity.

September 13, 2013 at 4:10 PMDennis Phoon

Simon Raj, when you go oversea for holidays for 1 week or more, and you would like to let your parents or relatives or guests to occupy your unit while you are not around, does this mean your neighbor can chase them out? Your argument does not support by Malaysia law.

December 11, 2013 at 7:07 PMPenang Fan

Makes no sense the current 700K price renting only 1,600K a month. That's only 2.7% return. Less then a regular bank FD that pays about 3% a year.

April 28, 2014 at 1:12 AMActive Investor

After 3-4 rounds visit on Gurney Park Condo, i decided to stay away from Gurney Park Condo because:
1) The risk of investing in this condo - THE FLOOR IS CRACK and will expand the crack. It seems like dangerous to invest in high floor unit.
2) There're many house owners who wish to sell out Gurney Park Condo to lock the profit and stay away from CRACKED FLOOR.

If you noticed this CRACK condition, please be careful.

If you deal with Agent, normally they won't tell you about this. Be careful.

May 22, 2014 at 9:50 PMPenang Fan

Even the security advices prospective buyers to stay away. They said the security is bad as the funds are low. There are no money for paying more security staff and no money to pay for badly needed repairs. The condition is getting worst as more owners are not paying and a few gangsters owner totally ignore paying the monthly dues. This condo is doomed.

December 23, 2014 at 4:07 PMAnonymous

Gurney Park is a good place for tourist. Near shopping complex. A lot of medical tourists from Indonesia are staying there. Good investment for service apattment but not a good for long term tenants. Long term expat tenants prefer other condo in city. Gurney Plaza is more of a service apartment than residential condo.  

June 11, 2015 at 11:39 PMAnonymous

Reading back the comments few years ago made by some people makes me laugh. They so silly to say GP owners are greedy, valuation cannot match etc. Now see who is laughing to the bank.

By the way, title is gotten, and no service apartment anymore. More good news to come for us owners. :)